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  • Review Request : expressminibuses.com

    Note. The site does not validate because of the contact form and paypal link. There are also display issues with Firefox which I have yet to resolve.

    http://expressminibuses.com

  • #2
    - Consider centering the website. It looks a little strange that it's pushed to the left.

    - Neat gallery, I like it. However, something's wrong as the globe overlaps some of the images and when you enlarge them and the menu (same for the 'Services' page).

    - Consider putting a hover effect on the menu.

    - Consider opening the paypal link in a new window.

    Other than that, sleek and easy design with no unnessecary ****

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    • #3
      Do you know why tables for layout is stupid?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by CaptainB View Post
        - Consider centering the website. It looks a little strange that it's pushed to the left.
        Would you mind telling me which browser you are using and what your display resolution is? I have checked the website on four different PCs each running IE7 with a 1024 x 768 display and the pages are all centred.

        Consider putting a hover effect on the menu.
        Good idea.

        - Neat gallery, I like it. However, something's wrong as the globe overlaps some of the images and when you enlarge them and the menu (same for the 'Services' page).
        I haven't found a solution to it yet and my client insists on a spinning globe!

        - Consider opening the paypal link in a new window.
        I'm wary of doing that just in case some third party software is set to disable pop-ups.

        Other than that, sleek and easy design with no unnessecary ****
        Thank you very much.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by abduraooft View Post
          I could not disagree more. Why should I waste hours playing around with css when I can design a table that validates in a couple of minutes? It's not worth the headache and I remain convincing the pages with an average size of 8kb are going to load considerably faster.

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          • #6
            It's not worth the headache and I remain convincing the pages with an average size of 8kb are going to load considerably faster.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by abduraooft View Post
              I've heard all of this before and I don't buy that argument. It's not relevant, it's not worth the extra time. Again why should I spend hours playing with css when I can create a table that validates in two minutes?

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              • #8
                You need to make your markup semantic, along with making it valid and free of divitis. There is no point in making a valid document with tables, which does not contain any tabular data.

                If you are convinced about the above, I'd also recommend you to check how to make an accessible form layout.
                Last edited by abduraooft; Apr 11, 2009, 11:07 AM. Reason: typo :(
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                • #9
                  I'm using IE7 with a 1280 * 800 res.
                  The problem with the globe could be solved with the z-index attribute. However, I think you would need to use divs in order to come around that - correct me if I'm wrong.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by abduraooft View Post
                    You need to make your markup semantic, along with making it valid and free of divitis. There is no point in making a valid document with tables, which does not contain any tabular data.

                    If you are convinced about the above, I'd also recommend you to check how to make an accessible form layout.
                    Thanks for the link to the forms. I'll take a look however the other two sites you linked to are riddled with validation errors!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mehdi72 View Post
                      ... it's not worth the extra time. Again why should I spend hours playing with css when I can create a table that validates in two minutes?
                      well there are two points to make here.

                      1. Are you doing this project in return for payment by a client? Then you should build the site so that it performs best and maximises every opportunity to drive business to your client. Otherwise, your shortcut will cost them money everyday for the lifetime of the site and will earn your business the reputation of being a provider of false economy.

                      2. if you are building this for your own business; then you should build the site so that it performs best and maximises every opportunity to drive you business. Otherwise, your shortcuts will cost you money everyday for the lifetime of the site and it really will be a false economy.

                      I think your site is clear and simple - just what is needed in order to get information quickly and easily. I would recommend changing the font on your page (to which you linked) so that it is all like the top section. and I would recommend you use a web form rather than an email (mailto) link so your client doesn't get swamped with costly spam.

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                      • #12
                        Tables are stoopid. — They're made to store data, not content of your website. Treat them correctly. Click here.

                        Font & Size Heck, the font size on the form and captcha are tiny! Enlarge them to at least 13pt. The font should also be changed to something like Arial.

                        Navigation You should really have a hover-image for your navigation, users may not know if they're on a link or not.

                        Gutenberg Principle

                        The above diagram shows where your users will read, your content is spread throughout the areas. You should have content aligned to the bottom right and top left, with images on the sides of them, of course, you should be creative.

                        It suggests that the bottom left area of the page will get least attention as our eyes scan the page from top left to bottom right and that our glance would end up in the lower right portion of the page. How can we utilize this concept? Buttons and calls to action could be placed in bottom right instead of bottom left, as this is the place where the visitor’s glance is likely to alight.
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                        • #13
                          I find it funny when people say "validating tables." The fact is, the HTML 4 standard explicity states that tables shouldn't be used for layout. Your code may be valid, but your website still isn't standards-compliant.
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                          • #14
                            No one seems to be getting the same problems I am with your site.

                            First of all I get a HUGE horizontal scrollbar. It stretches into blank green space, until at the very end of the 'page' where it says "free forms". I can provide screen-shots if you want.

                            Secondly, your navigation is cut off a small bit on the left. When I view the image used individually it seems fine, but on your site it gets cut off a bit by your spinning globe. Again, if you would like I'll take a screen-shot of this problem.

                            They are only problems and not opinions. I agree with what everyone else has said in their posts though. Especially the navigation which I found rather confusing and not user friendly.

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                            • #15
                              No one seems to be getting the same problems I am with your site.
                              I wasn't so serious and I believe correcting the markup has to get the higher priority than everything else, since we may observe some other functional issues after some time while making patch works.
                              Last edited by abduraooft; Apr 21, 2009, 12:46 PM.
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