Pros and cons on chaging the scrollbar color and many other bad things

[JAVAEOC]

Well, actually i find it cool to chage the interface of somebodies browser, and i find it cool to chage the scroll bar color, but still ppl in this forum seem to hate it. why?

I am not forcing the user to click on my link that contains the chaged scrollbar color, or even better a whole chaged interface as this script made possible.

I just think its a cool think to do and it looks really good, and there is really no reason why you shouldnt be able to chage it. You are also able to chage the BG color (arent you?).

If you arent allowed to chage the Scrollbar color then how come you are allowed to chage the DEFAULT text color or the DEFAULT BG color or the DEFAULT text size.

All these things just make your web page look better, so why should we be able to do it?

[oracleguy]

Part of the thing is that the scrollbar is part of the browser. You don't have to specify the code for it to show up. Using you example about how you can change the text and background color, that is okay because that is part of the website and not the browser's user interface.

In fact changing the colors so the scrollbar looks radically different could confuse more novice users as well thus detering them from your site.

[mindlessLemming]

Oh man, I thought we had debated this enough this year already....

[Mhtml]

Originally posted by mindlessLemming
Oh man, I thought we had debated this enough this year already....

Yeah, I made a faq thread like this a while back discussing the pro's and con's of it ... Search the html & css forum.

[me']

Here it is.

[l)iSoRl)eR]

so you mean by scroll bar the thing on the left that is green? if so how do i change it? if not what is it and how do i change it? ty

[missing-score]

im assuming you mean thing on the right?

Anyways, if you want to know how to change the colour of the scrollbar you should search the HTML/CSS forum.

[JAVAEOC]

well, this wansnt only for the scrollbar color but also for chageing the whole interface in a popup window....

the thing is, if I have a popup window not just a window that has been opend by a link from google or something, a window that i open from MY SITE why should i be able to control its interface since it is a child of MY WEBSITE?

[missing-score]

If you want to make chromeless windows go ahead, but it will not work in IE from service pack 1 I believe, or they take a long while to load (cant remember), and wont display in mozilla or anything else. I dont like chromeless windows and I dont usually bother (well, when I used to use IE) to use a site that relys on chromeless windows.

[Eskimo]

I think it was A List Apart article that made me think about a web page entirely differently, as a magazine. Users understand how to use a magazine to find information they need. The table of contents and other search tools are always in the same place. If the information you are looking for isn't on the page, the user understands how to turn the page. This may seem trivial, but a website offers a completely different medium where the rules change depending on what site you are currently visiting. Turning a page is done differently on every site, and the table of contents sometimes doesn't even exist.

The only constants for a user to become accustom to is the UI (User Interface) of the user agent. If even that is not a constant anymore, how can we expect the Internet to be a stable medium for users to find information? Making the Internet simple and easy to use does not mean that features have to suffer, look at Google's website, its pack full of features and has the simplest interface on the web.

One of the reasons I have trouble with some Flash developers (note I do not say all here), is how complicated they make their sites just because they can.

[firepages]

from the other thread...

..I cannot see a white scrollbar with white arrows on a white background next to a white page

Please. . .share with me about the horrible tragedies that have occured due to the coloring of your scrollbars?

the argument will continue .... I think we need to realise that its the free will of the webmaster that is important here , we are free to make sites that appeal or annoy , luckily , unlike standards compliance the user has the unfettered right to go elsewhere without being chided for such.

If you want to do it , then do it , and ingore any comments about such , your user base will make the ultimate descision, and its their opinion that counts (that or whoever is paying you)

[mindlessLemming]

On this note, I'm really enjoying telling my fellow web-design students at college that they can do as they want to their invalid CSS, but they can't affect my prefered browser! I even had one of them asking me yesterday if I'd help him make the trackbar transparent!
No sir, no I will not.

[l)iSoRl)eR]

eat **** love l)iSoRl)eR

[Len Whistler]

I think AOL 8 doesn't support colored scroll bars. AOL 7 did. I might be wrong on this though.

[zoobie]

They took away colored scrollbars in an update? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Somehow, I find that rather hard to believe...