How to keep font size ????

[web_diver]

I need help !!! i have tried to make web design using table form !!! to make a frame for pic !!! but i have a problem if font size its have change view (size) in Browser the table is getting wider and thats make my web look stupid
Can anybody tell me how to prevent my web size (fonts) and to keep frame better !!!
Thanks for u'r help !!!

[Skyzyx]

First off, welcome to the forums. Now duck!

I hope you'll like having two buttholes... because any minute now there will be several people ready to rip you a new one for asking a question like this.

Before you get torn apart, I'd like to direct you to something that will definitely help you, but it won't answer your question. Check out this:

Why Tables For Layout Is Stupid: Problems Defined, Solutions Offered
99.9% of Websites are Obsolete
Why Pixel-Perfect Design Is Not Possible On The Web

To answer your question, users being able to change their font size is a good thing. You just need to alter your design to allow for this. That is the good way to design websites. Design for your customers and users instead of for yourself.

BTW, don't be too put off when you get more responses in this forum. Some people can harsh, but others can be very helpful. If you're open to suggestions, and are willing to improve your skills, this is definitely the best online forum for it. We're forward-thinking!

[ArcticFox]

Web_Diver, it's your site and you can do whatever you wish with it.

See this thread for information about keeping your text size the same.

[Skyzyx]

Originally posted by ArcticFox
Web_Diver, it's your site and you can do whatever you wish with it.

See this thread for information about keeping your text size the same.

ArcticFox, yes it's true that due to a usability bug in Internet Explorer for Windows, font-sizes set in pixels with CSS will mistakingly not resize when a user wants to resize it.

Yes, it's web_diver's own website, but all you're doing with that statement is reinforcing a flawed mindset that (unfortunately) most of the industry still holds.

I'm rather disappointed.

[ArcticFox]

It's amazing; for every IE option - be it chromeless to pixel sizing - if you people here don't like it, you call it a 'bug'.

I've a great idea! If you don't have an option enabled browser (like IE) set as your default browser, then stop trying to put down the brilliant ideas of other budding webmasters. Censorship and silencing should not be allowed anywhere. Period.

If you are not going to answer the original question, then why are you replying with anti-MS/IE comments? This isn't directed at one person, but everyone on this entire forum.

People are building sites the way they want - deal with it.

[Skyzyx]

WTF!!

Don't cop an attitude like that. That's entirely uncalled for!

If you want to choose to be ignorant, that's fine. But don't encourage others be ignorant as well.

EVERYONE likes good designs! Why do you think that it can't be done using good, valid code?!

If you're all into IE, then that's fine. But you're going against the flow here. If you're going to keep an attitude like that, maybe you should just leave again.

[Vladdy]

Originally posted by ArcticFox
Censorship and silencing should not be allowed anywhere. Period.

Yeah.... and if you know how to make bombs and mix poisons.... you would explain it to everyone who asks for it....
Nice logic.
Just because you build sub-par, egocentric websites does not meen you should drag everyone to your level.

[ArcticFox]

Most of you who think that everyone's site has to have 'good, valid code' seem to have nothing better to do than pick apart every single detail of someones site - mainly, I think, do to your own insecurities.

Validation scripts choke on the very first line of code on my site, and will usually come up with around 90 'errors' just on the one page alone. But does it show up on most browsers/OSs correctly? Yep, even on screen sizes of 800x600.

I'm not going to 'validate' my code to make it work on someone's 286 machine running windozes 3.1 and Netscape 2. Also, if a browser of the future is not backwards-compatible, then that means there is something wrong with the browser, not the site.


Now, don't like my 'attitude'? Then try this;

1) HELP by answering the original question
2) SUGGEST what should/shouldn't be done
3) PROVIDE a reason for #2
4) VOLUNTEER your personal opinion, last.


Don't forget to keep the happy.

[Basscyst]

LOL - Ironic.

if a browser of the future is not backwards-compatible


"Roads? Where we're going we don't need roads!"

Basscyst

[Skyzyx]

Originally posted by ArcticFox
Most of you who think that everyone's site has to have 'good, valid code' seem to have nothing better to do than pick apart every single detail of someones site - mainly, I think, do to your own insecurities.

The term here is should. They should have valid code... for their own sake. You can have a bomb-arse website, and still be valid, you know?

Insecurities? I'm just trying to teach someone the benefits of good code. Maybe the security issue is someone else's.

Originally posted by ArcticFox
Validation scripts choke on the very first line of code on my site, and will usually come up with around 90 'errors' just on the one page alone. But does it show up on most browsers/OSs correctly? Yep, even on screen sizes of 800x600.

My shows up on browsers correctly, shows up on OS's correctly, fits into 800x600 resolution correctly. My code is completely valid (except for the occassional entity error, but I fix 'em when I see 'em). Are your skills not capable of that?

Originally posted by ArcticFox
I'm not going to 'validate' my code to make it work on someone's 286 machine running windozes 3.1 and Netscape 2.

You don't have to. How about less bandwidth, ease of maintenance, and better Google rankings? Those were my reasons. I don't give a darn about Netscape 2 or Windows 3.1. But a by-product of good code means that I don't have to block them out either.

Originally posted by ArcticFox
Also, if a browser of the future is not backwards-compatible, then that means there is something wrong with the browser, not the site.

The browser is fine (other than a variety of known bugs in all of them... IE/Win having the most prolific ones). It's the code that's the problem. If you have a problem with XHTML, then why not use HTML 4.01? Or HTML 3.2 if that better? All I'm saying is that you need to follow directions and code for a standard. Mix-and-match tags should never have been supported in the first place! Valid tags and good code make it easier and better to create some of the best, most creative websites imaginable. It has nothing to do with bland, boring websites. You can make a sucky website in Dreamweaver too.

Originally posted by ArcticFox
Now, don't like my 'attitude'?

Nope. Not at all.

Originally posted by ArcticFox
Then try this;

1) HELP by answering the original question
2) SUGGEST what should/shouldn't be done
3) PROVIDE a reason for #2
4) VOLUNTEER your personal opinion, last.

• I do suggest what should be done, and the reasons why.
• I do help by answering the original question. However, the answer to the original question isn't always the best answer. I choose to give the best answer I possibly can.
• That's fine, and I do. However, there are certain facts of web design that I will not ignore.

Such as...

• IE's text-resize issue is a bug.
• Web standards are better than tag soup for a variety of reasons.
• Having a web designer want to code properly should be a no brainer.

If you have a different opinion, than that's fine. Obviously, you're free to express it. But chances are, I and others will have an opposite opinion of you. You need to expect it. But learn to curb the hostility while disagreeing, m'kay?

[newmand2]

whilst you've all been arguing etc... I was reading up how to make my site more effective with CSS... I've gotten rid ofmy nested tables and put in an external style sheet. However, I really have no idea of how to replace a table with 2 cells horizontally next to eachother. I tried <div>, but that didn't help cos one is below the other. Any help?

Thanks

[raf]

Re: How to keep font size ????

ArcticFox,

Now this is fun !
Let's start with looking at the original post:

Originally posted by web_diver
I need help !!! i have tried to make web design using table form !!! to make a frame for pic !!! but i have a problem if font size its have change view (size) in Browser the table is getting wider and thats make my web look stupid
Can anybody tell me how to prevent my web size (fonts) and to keep frame better !!!
Thanks for u'r help !!!

Isn't it nicely formulated ! Isn't it well constructed ! Isn't it gramatically correct !

Well, to me, it's not. And the same will probably go for your website(s).
I'm not even going to bother to try to understand his question. Just as (hopefully) in the near future, browsers wount bother interpreting bad code.

I honestly don't understand why people can have something agains general, industry wide accepted guidelines that very clearly specify how your code should look like. (Like there are English gramar rules --> i'm not a native speaker and i didn't bother spellingchecking it. Why should I, right !!!!)
If you don't understand why you would better write valid code, then that is just fine (but maybe you should do your homework and google for it), as long as you don't advice other to do just that.

And a remark as

Web_Diver, it's your site and you can do whatever you wish with it.

isn't realy smart. Most people don't build sites for themselves. They build them for their visitors. And if you would understand why there are W3C recommendations and why they are so valuable. And if you would understand anything about making your sites accesible, then you would never come up with an advice like that.

[Paul Jr]

I'd rather not get into this argument, but y'all shouldn't be laying into ArcticFox for answering this fellow's question. He asked, wanted an answer, ArcticFox gave it to him. There are plenty of other people around here that can provide alternate solutions to the questions asked.

[oracleguy]

Originally posted by ArcticFox
It's amazing; for every IE option - be it chromeless to pixel sizing - if you people here don't like it, you call it a 'bug'.

That is because it is a bug in the browser. And it really isn't an option.

Originally posted by ArcticFox
Most of you who think that everyone's site has to have 'good, valid code' seem to have nothing better to do than pick apart every single detail of someones site - mainly, I think, do to your own insecurities.

Writing valid web code is important, if you don't like it then you got another thing coming. In any compiled programming languages, there are rules that you have to follow and if you don't the thing won't work. The samething applies to HTML even if it isn't a compiled language. It is just that IE gives web pages to much room for error versus other up to date browsers.

When you write valid code it is also displayed better on more platforms such as PDAs and cell phones additionally then you rarely need to worry about cross browser compatibility.

[mindlessLemming]

newmand_2 : Congrats! Floats are what you're after now

Originally posted by ArcticFox
If you don't have an option enabled browser (like IE)

That's the funniest thing I've ever heard. Can I get it on a T-shirt.
You obviously haven't checked out the features of Mozilla.

• Built in Mail Client
• in buit IRC prog.
• in built composer w/ spell checker
• ability to be skinned by YOU, to YOUR tastes (including scroll bars!)

These are merely the ones I use daily, there are more.

Andrew
ps - Go Skyzyx! LOL